Will there be SpyderX Support?

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  • #15710

    HarryYTM
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    Datacolor has released SpyderX on 2019 Feb 11, when will there be DisplayCAL support for it? Would love to know, thanks.

    #15764

    FVL7
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    I second this request!

    Just bought a SpyderX Pro and I’m waiting to be able to use DisplayCAL.

    #16051

    HarryYTM
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    The new Datacolor SpyderX Pro and Elite are now available in the store, but seems that some other DisplayCAL user report there is no support for DisplayCAL, may I know will there be support soon? Or I should buy a i1 Display PRO instead?

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    #16055

    Vincent
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    ArgyllCMS should support it before. DisplayCAL uses ArgyllCMS functionality.

    Coping & Pasting what I said somewhere:

    I would say that when a new colorimeter is on the market a lot of users would care about:

    -support for 3rd party spectral samples for correction (avoid if possible to buy/rent spectros but be able to measure with some degree of accuracy)

    -tool support: vendor (Eizo/NEC/Benq/Dell/etc), GNU (ArgyllCMS & its ecosystem), other (Basiccolor, Lightspace, etc)

    -speed

    -and of course overall accuracy out of the box & spectrally corrected

    i1displaypro plays well in those 4 fields even if it is not the best. In order to consider “suitable for testing” that SpyderX needs to do the same at purchase time.

    IMHO there is no reason to buy or even consider buying a SpyderX until these reasonable requirements are met: you have them in an i1d3.
    I suppose that 2nd one, ArgyllCMS support, is making advances.

    #16062

    Viktor
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    why do pepole buy Spyder´s? they are so bad! 😛

    #16070

    HarryYTM
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    The price for SpyderX Elite and i1 Display Pro are so close in the store(HKD $40 difference), maybe I should buy an i1 Display Pro instead.

    #16071

    HarryYTM
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    why do pepole buy Spyder´s? they are so bad! ?

    Yeah, Spyder 5 took me more than 1 hour to caliblate the screen with DisplayCAL with normal speed. Orz

    The new SpyderX is using a lens design just like a i1 Display Pro, I wonder if the new one is really better than old Spyders.

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    #16075

    Viktor
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    i1 Display Pro  is the bst so far.  i dont now how the Spyder X Elite is tho..

    #16234

    Alex Sikorsky
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    i1 Display Pro  is the bst so far.  i dont now how the Spyder X Elite is tho..

    Do not confuse public opinion in narrow circles with the real state of affairs. Have you checked such statements or trusted them blindly? If the device satisfies the declared characteristics, then it performs the function assigned to it.

    #16236

    Viktor
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    i1 Display Pro  is the bst so far.  i dont now how the Spyder X Elite is tho..

    Do not confuse public opinion in narrow circles with the real state of affairs. Have you checked such statements or trusted them blindly? If the device satisfies the declared characteristics, then it performs the function assigned to it.

    spyder is bad..

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    #16252

    Alex Sikorsky
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    i1 Display Pro  is the bst so far.  i dont now how the Spyder X Elite is tho..

    Do not confuse public opinion in narrow circles with the real state of affairs. Have you checked such statements or trusted them blindly? If the device satisfies the declared characteristics, then it performs the function assigned to it.

    spyder is bad..

    Is the chrom. adaptation correction matrix used in these dimensions for each of the “devices + monitor”?

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    #16254

    Vincent
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    i1 Display Pro  is the bst so far.  i dont now how the Spyder X Elite is tho..

    Do not confuse public opinion in narrow circles with the real state of affairs. Have you checked such statements or trusted them blindly? If the device satisfies the declared characteristics, then it performs the function assigned to it.

    spyder is bad..

    Is the chrom. adaptation correction matrix used in these dimensions for each of the “devices + monitor”?

    This is a test from a polish photographer/color guy/(supposed to be close to NEC) by nickname Czornyj on a NEC PA242W (widegamut GB-LED).
    He used a JETI to calibrate, then measure with several probes and plotted measurements, Spyder 4 and 5 were so off that there is no point buying or discussing them…. useless and discontnued devices.
    GB-LED is a LED widegamut technology with “broad” led & phosphor spikes so it should be easy to measure even for these lesser X-rite 10nm spectrophotometers. I mean it is not “difficult to measure” as PFS phosphors or blue laser projectors are.

    BUT, Spyder4 and Spyder5 are not Spyder X and AFAIK they do not even share sensor/filter/lens design… so at this point of time we do not know if that Spyder X is worth considering.

    Right now we do not know if:

    -it is going to be supported soon by HW vendors (mostly NEC & Eizo, since other vendor like Dell or Viewsonic or HP is unlikely to support it)

    -it is going to be supported by ArgyllCMS, but we can speculate that it is going to be supported soon

    -it can or cannot use CCSS spectral corrections, since they are more or less portable for i1d3, so most people do not need an spectrophotometer

    -it is accurate or not (out of the box or CCSS corrected)

    so until these uncertainties are known… it is not wise to buy (or advice to buy) a Spyder X “right now” .

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    Viktor
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    i1 Display Pro  is the bst so far.  i dont now how the Spyder X Elite is tho..

    Do not confuse public opinion in narrow circles with the real state of affairs. Have you checked such statements or trusted them blindly? If the device satisfies the declared characteristics, then it performs the function assigned to it.

    spyder is bad..

    Is the chrom. adaptation correction matrix used in these dimensions for each of the “devices + monitor”?

    This is a test from a polish photographer/color guy/(supposed to be close to NEC) by nickname Czornyj on a NEC PA242W (widegamut GB-LED).
    He used a JETI to calibrate, then measure with several probes and plotted measurements, Spyder 4 and 5 were so off that there is no point buying or discussing them…. useless and discontnued devices.
    GB-LED is a LED widegamut technology with “broad” led & phosphor spikes so it should be easy to measure even for these lesser X-rite 10nm spectrophotometers. I mean it is not “difficult to measure” as PFS phosphors or blue laser projectors are.

    BUT, Spyder4 and Spyder5 are not Spyder X and AFAIK they do not even share sensor/filter/lens design… so at this point of time we do not know if that Spyder X is worth considering.

    Right now we do not know if:

    -it is going to be supported soon by HW vendors (mostly NEC & Eizo, since other vendor like Dell or Viewsonic or HP is unlikely to support it)

    -it is going to be supported by ArgyllCMS, but we can speculate that it is going to be supported soon

    -it can or cannot use CCSS spectral corrections, since they are more or less portable for i1d3, so most people do not need an spectrophotometer

    -it is accurate or not (out of the box or CCSS corrected)

    so until these uncertainties are known… it is not wise to buy (or advice to buy) a Spyder X “right now” .

    Good explanation! 🙂

    #16263

    Alex Sikorsky
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    i1 Display Pro  is the bst so far.  i dont now how the Spyder X Elite is tho..

    Do not confuse public opinion in narrow circles with the real state of affairs. Have you checked such statements or trusted them blindly? If the device satisfies the declared characteristics, then it performs the function assigned to it.

    spyder is bad..

    Is the chrom. adaptation correction matrix used in these dimensions for each of the “devices + monitor”?

    This is a test from a polish photographer/color guy/(supposed to be close to NEC) by nickname Czornyj on a NEC PA242W (widegamut GB-LED).
    He used a JETI to calibrate, then measure with several probes and plotted measurements, Spyder 4 and 5 were so off that there is no point buying or discussing them…. useless and discontnued devices.
    GB-LED is a LED widegamut technology with “broad” led & phosphor spikes so it should be easy to measure even for these lesser X-rite 10nm spectrophotometers. I mean it is not “difficult to measure” as PFS phosphors or blue laser projectors are.

    BUT, Spyder4 and Spyder5 are not Spyder X and AFAIK they do not even share sensor/filter/lens design… so at this point of time we do not know if that Spyder X is worth considering.

    Right now we do not know if:

    -it is going to be supported soon by HW vendors (mostly NEC & Eizo, since other vendor like Dell or Viewsonic or HP is unlikely to support it)

    -it is going to be supported by ArgyllCMS, but we can speculate that it is going to be supported soon

    -it can or cannot use CCSS spectral corrections, since they are more or less portable for i1d3, so most people do not need an spectrophotometer

    -it is accurate or not (out of the box or CCSS corrected)

    so until these uncertainties are known… it is not wise to buy (or advice to buy) a Spyder X “right now” .

    I have i1DisplayPro, i1Pro2 (spectrocolorimeter EFI-2000), Spyder4, Spyder2. From that I built the matrix to them, and checked both devices, then checking third-party Spectrolino and i1Pro. The experimental was the wide-spread Nec MultiSync 2690 Wuxi. From that I have an idea about what I am writing. Above, I compiled the results of the latest calibration of my monitor using Spyder4.

    “If the device satisfies the declared characteristics, then it performs the function assigned to it.” – How did you conclude that I was agitating to buy something? What does he follow from?

    #16266

    Alex Sikorsky
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    i1 Display Pro  is the bst so far.  i dont now how the Spyder X Elite is tho..

    Do not confuse public opinion in narrow circles with the real state of affairs. Have you checked such statements or trusted them blindly? If the device satisfies the declared characteristics, then it performs the function assigned to it.

    spyder is bad..

    Is the chrom. adaptation correction matrix used in these dimensions for each of the “devices + monitor”?

    This is a test from a polish photographer/color guy/(supposed to be close to NEC) by nickname Czornyj on a NEC PA242W (widegamut GB-LED).
    He used a JETI to calibrate, then measure with several probes and plotted measurements, Spyder 4 and 5 were so off that there is no point buying or discussing them…. useless and discontnued devices.
    GB-LED is a LED widegamut technology with “broad” led & phosphor spikes so it should be easy to measure even for these lesser X-rite 10nm spectrophotometers. I mean it is not “difficult to measure” as PFS phosphors or blue laser projectors are.

    This does not tell me anything, because the experience was initially set incorrectly! It was necessary to build a corrective matrix for this monitor for each instrument, then calibrate each of them separately and verify the result of such a calibration with a spectrophotometer. I don’t have JETI, but I don’t need it to build accurate profiles for groups of monitors working within one project.

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