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Hi all .. I was looking to buy a new monitor and in the meantime I realize that many monitors need calibration so I started to research and look for info etc.. its obvious that I don’t have a budget to buy a super cool expensive factory calibrated monitor .. so I ended up with a few used /refurbished ones .. some are profesional grade some are ” not bad but not what the advertisement says xD ) but what I don’t understand and what’s bugging be ( and the reason I came to this forum ) is to ask about colorimeters and monitors and what I don’t understand:
the question is : if I buy a monitor ( for example a samsung 28 ” S80 4k ips .. ) with 140% srgb , 95 % dci-p3,90% adobe rgb right out the box its set in dcip3 color space .. but I need to work in S-rgb only .. this monitor ( and others ) has its dedicated srgb ”mode”
but this mode in many reviews calibration shows it dials back the srgb to like 92% .. and I would like to have 99% .
so if I buy a monitor with decent ”not perfect” color space /coverage. like the above ( I have others. but they are similar) Does a colorimeter could fix that srgb discrepancies ? from what’s in the preset 92%. srgb to 99% srgb ?
or a monitor could have 140% srgb 95 dcip3. but a colorimeter would not be of any help because monitor panels .. their led .. and color space they can display are not so simple and straight forward as I think ?
by the way IM speaking about color space percentage not volume.
thanks
Is your target a 3d lut? I believe all 3d luts have 99.99% color space . Even stretching the 92% to 100% might introduce banding. Finding a good monitor is the best step. What monitor do you think is good? I am not a expert and I think you are doing a expert job and not just a user. You may only care about color managed apps. I do not know if you can get 99% srgb on all monitors with 140% srgb. I do not have a monitor like that. I am not video editor or anything. This might help. https://medium.com/visual-captive/picking-a-monitor-for-video-editing-color-correction-srgb-dci-p3-rec-709-what-they-mean-and-34e65fc88284#:~:text=At%20a%20minimum%2C%20you%20need%20to%20buy%20a,colors%20correctly%20and%20some%20shades%20will%20be%20missing.
Ben! thank you so much for the info and taking your time .. for work I do mostly things that will be displayed on web . so srgb should be accurate .. and. IM not an expert either 🙂 .. its just that Im slowly getting into photography .. and I’ll be taking pictures of my traditional artwork/illustrations and sending those files to the print shop .. they are ok with srgb but a client whants a couple of files in Adobe RGB .( because his print atelier works with that color space. I know the drill about selecting/shoting in different color spaces etc.. it’s just that. I didn’t wanted to burn a chunk of $$ in a factory calibrated monitor yet ( I don’t have that chunk of money also. lol ) mostly because I want to see how this all evolves.. A friend who is a photographer he work in srgb and sometimes in Adobe RGB .. he has 2 monitors one pro and the other just a good one but only 94-96% adobe he showed me the differences and for me they are not so huge ( at least for me ) . and because IM not going to do any critical work ..
the reason Im among to an adequate Adobe RGB monitor ( 91-94-96% ) is because I want to have some kind of control /chance to manipulate myself an Adobe RGB file in a monitor with that color space, just in case I would need to go and print int myself here were I live .. also .. further to make some experimentations ..
in a nutshell I thought if a monitor has a wide gamut I could make color profiles with a colorimeter and work in those spaces when needed .. but I now having some doubts :/
I saw many photographers working with an apple display 5k, or an iMac 27 ( same 5k display) and they roughly have. Srgb 100%. Delta E: 044. After calibration. 033 , Adobe rgb 88% ,Dcip3. 98%. they are well calibrated and balanced. with good delta E. and gamma . but they seems enough to work with .
when I was doing my research / list. what my budget allows and which are on the market to buy right now a couple pop up like these :
HP 28U. https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/hp-u28-4k-hdr-monitor. 10 bit ( 8+frc) 100 srgb- 84% adobe -89 dcip3 but on hp web it claims 93@ dcip3. ) and it feels like some kind of shill hat or something like that. :/
Samsung 27 S80ua https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-27-inch-s80ua 10 bit same but more odd. its default-reset is on the dcip3 color space in delta E and gamma both hp and this S80ua seems around the same .. but what I don’t get is why in dcip3 mode srgb is 140% but if I want to work only in srgb it give me a miserable 90% ( using the monitor option). therefore my question . . if I can fix this by using a color calibration tool. like a x 1i xrite pro .or data color spider x … or else..
also this one LG 27UP600 W A US. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/okmovk/lg_new_4k_monitor_review_27up600w_with_displayhdr/
right out of the box is very inaccurate but after calibration it achieved good results : 100 srgb , 87% adobe, 95% dci-p3
gamma : 2.20 color temperature: 6521k , average delta E. 0.15. and maximum delta of 1.11
I would dig into the CCSS files and get a monitor with a ccss file. You need a spectrometer to make a ccss file. It be nice to have a display in here https://colorimetercorrections.displaycal.net/ .
I think the HP 28u is in there. I found 28u1 searching for hp 28u. HP 28u reads good. https://www.displayninja.com/hp-u28-review/
Calibrite and Xrite colorimeters are a lot better than data color spyder. The ccss works with calibrite and xrite .
Ben! thank you so much for the info and taking your time .. for work I do mostly things that will be displayed on web . so srgb should be accurate .. and. IM not an expert either 🙂 .. its just that Im slowly getting into photography .. and I’ll be taking pictures of my traditional artwork/illustrations and sending those files to the print shop .. they are ok with srgb but a client whants a couple of files in Adobe RGB .( because his print atelier works with that color space. I know the drill about selecting/shoting in different color spaces etc.. it’s just that. I didn’t wanted to burn a chunk of $$ in a factory calibrated monitor yet ( I don’t have that chunk of money also. lol ) mostly because I want to see how this all evolves.. A friend who is a photographer he work in srgb and sometimes in Adobe RGB .. he has 2 monitors one pro and the other just a good one but only 94-96% adobe he showed me the differences and for me they are not so huge ( at least for me ) . and because IM not going to do any critical work ..
the reason Im among to an adequate Adobe RGB monitor ( 91-94-96% ) is because I want to have some kind of control /chance to manipulate myself an Adobe RGB file in a monitor with that color space, just in case I would need to go and print int myself here were I live .. also .. further to make some experimentations ..
I saw many photographers working with an apple display 5k, or an iMac 27 ( same 5k display) and they roughly have. Srgb 100%. Delta E: 044. After calibration. 033 , Adobe rgb 88% ,Dcip3. 98%. they are well calibrated and balanced. with good delta E. and gamma . but they seems enough to work with .
If you use color managed web browsers (Firefox can be forced to work that, HTML and images without cilorspace will be considered sRGB and renderd as they should), you can be 100% of your time in native gamut.
Also Photoshop is color managed, so 100% tiem you’ll be on native colorspace working with several colospaces. Just check in Color Settings in Adobe PS: “profile mismatch” : on opening UNCHECK, on paste UNCHECK. Missing profiles: ASK, and set as DEFAULT forwing space sRGB. That way when you open a JPG with no embedde profile it will ask youto assing sRGB. BUt if you open an AdobeRGB TIFF it will open directly in its embeded colospace.
BY default Photoshop ask when there is a mismatch between default colorspace and ambeded image’s profile… which is a PITA. So uncheck those two options.Now let’s assume that you work modeing for games or such, which are not color managed. Or that your browser is not properly color managed. So in those situations you actually need to simulate sRGB system wide, like if your display was a sRGB only display.
Then you can use DMWLUT (lauralex github) to simulate sRGB:
-create a native gamut profile with displaycal.
-create a LUT3D that transforms from sRGB (origin) to you custom profile (destination), apply VCGT
-set as display profile in OS settings the simulated colorspace (sRGB)
-open DWMLUT and load LUT3D.Regarding displays if you go to lowcost segment then aim for a 9x% P3. Assume 8x% AdobeRGB, you’ll loose some very saturated printable cyan-geen colors, that’s all.
when I was doing my research / list. what my budget allows and which are on the market to buy right now a couple pop up like these :
HP 28U. https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/hp-u28-4k-hdr-monitor. 10 bit ( 8+frc) 100 srgb- 84% adobe -89 dcip3 but on hp web it claims 93@ dcip3. ) and it feels like some kind of shill hat or something like that. :/
Samsung 27 S80ua https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-27-inch-s80ua 10 bit same but more odd. its default-reset is on the dcip3 color space in delta E and gamma both hp and this S80ua seems around the same .. but what I don’t get is why in dcip3 mode srgb is 140% but if I want to work only in srgb it give me a miserable 90% ( using the monitor option). therefore my question . . if I can fix this by using a color calibration tool. like a x 1i xrite pro .or data color spider x … or else..
also this one LG 27UP600 W A US. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/okmovk/lg_new_4k_monitor_review_27up600w_with_displayhdr/
right out of the box is very inaccurate but after calibration it achieved good results : 100 srgb , 87% adobe, 95% dci-p3
gamma : 2.20 color temperature: 6521k , average delta E. 0.15. and maximum delta of 1.11
Usually thses CALMAN rerports are useless. Thats what we like DIsplayCAL HTML report, we can peek betering on greyscale color tints.
Prad.de web have very good reviews regarding grascale issues and color uniformity, you can try to search there if they reviewed some ofthe models you want to buy.
in a nutshell I thought if a monitor has a wide gamut I could make color profiles with a colorimeter and work in those spaces when needed .. but I now having some doubts :/
Xrite/calibrite i1d3 colorimeter. It’s the safe choice. Do not buy the “SL” model unless you know what you are doing, it won’t work by default with HW calibration solitions.
Calibrite Display Pro HL on Amazon
Disclosure: As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.wow thanks Vincent lot if good info .. and IM glad that my presumptions were somewhere in the right path. ( about what you said. about display cal and picking up a monitor with 9X% + of dci-p3 and 85+% or more of adobe rgb … I honestly don’t need ”for now” more colors ..
and IM pretty sure now I will be buying a display calibration device ..
