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Hi community:
I tried to calibrated my laptop with sRGB today.
However, when I’m done calibrating using the sRGB setting, the color in color-managed apps (such as chrome) and non-color managed apps are different. If I set the default profile to the sRGB ICC that came with the laptop, I get same colors across apps, but the color is not accurate.
I find the color in a color-manged app with the calibrated profile to be the most accurate, but it seems I just can’t get that color in other apps.
The display I have is not WCG (it covers about 96% sRGB), which is odd because I though only WCG displays have this problem.
So… How can I calibrate my display, so the color in non-color manged apps look like the colors in color-managed apps?
I’m attaching my displaycal settings below. I’m not very familiar with calibration, so it would be great if someone can check my settings.
Thanks in advance!
I find the color in a color-manged app with the calibrated profile to be the most accurate, but it seems I just can’t get that color in other apps.
The display I have is not WCG (it covers about 96% sRGB), which is odd because I though only WCG displays have this problem.
So… How can I calibrate my display, so the color in non-color manged apps look like the colors in color-managed apps?
I’m attaching my displaycal settings below. I’m not very familiar with calibration, so it would be great if someone can check my settings.
Common sRGB 93/96/99%/100% displays will have a gamut slighty larger than sRGB, hence 255 green or red will not match 255 sRGB red or green when not color managed. 9x% is intersection value.
So what you see is expected. No color management and no HW calibration with gamut emulation/no factory preset with sRGB gamut limitation = native gamut. You can only fix grey/white/gamma with video card LUT.
So what you see is expected. No color management and no HW calibration with gamut emulation/no factory preset with sRGB gamut limitation = native gamut. You can only fix grey/white/gamma with video card LUT.
Thanks for the info!
But does that mean that calibrations do NOT help when the native gamut is wider than the desired gamut? That is very weird, because I’ve seen some people claiming that they fixed the over-saturated WCG display with calibration, and that’s why I assumed calibrations would deal with whatever outside of the desired gamut.
Are there other ways to deal with this? I’m using a dell so there the dell premier color that allows selection of color gamut, but I saw no visible difference after choosing sRGB….
Without color management GPU calibration like the one from i1Profiler or DisplayCAL fixes grey. Also they made an ICC profile for color managed apps, so all colors are rendered properly (if display can show them)… and this is because ICC, not becaue grey calibration.
Some OSes can have a color managed desktop, so bundled apps with SO can show colors as expected (ICC again, not because grpahics card 1D LUT calibration). It could be the case of macOS… but their color management engine is broken in several ways as you can see in other threads.Some monitors allow HW calibration with gamut emulation. Instead of just 1D LUT for grey they have a lut-matrix-lut or a LUT3D to limit gamut. But you d not have one of these.
There are some external LUTboxes for video guys to store such LUT3D between computer and display. There are also some video programs that can behave like a LUT3D using graphics card general purpose computing (like madVR)Also some GPUs like AMDs can emulate sRGB system wide even in Windows using EDID data of display and believing that grey is perfect and EDID data is true (big IF, but visually it works). Again, it is not your situation.
If you own a LED widegamut Dell desktop monitor (AdobeRGB) you can use their HW calibration app “DUCCS” as explained before (lut-matrix-lut). Some widegamut dell laptops can have that feature too, but with a different app. You need an i1displaypro for it, cheaper colormunkiDIsplay or i1display studio won’t work because Xrite does not want it to work with these apps.
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I chose a non WCG display because I know sRGB is all I’ll ever needed… but it looks like a poor decision now 🙁
Without color management GPU calibration like the one from i1Profiler or DisplayCAL fixes grey. Also they made an ICC profile for color managed apps, so all colors are rendered properly (if display can show them)… and this is because ICC, not becaue grey calibration.
Some OSes can have a color managed desktop, so bundled apps with SO can show colors as expected (ICC again, not because grpahics card 1D LUT calibration). It could be the case of macOS… but their color management engine is broken in several ways as you can see in other threads.Correct me if I’m wrong, so the ICC profile and IDLUT canNOT change the actual display gamut, instead they just help CM apps to show a more accurate color?
This would explain why I’m only seeing a more accurate color in CM apps, but doesn’t this also mean that software calibration would have little or no effects in non-CM apps?
If you own a LED widegamut Dell desktop monitor (AdobeRGB) you can use their HW calibration app “DUCCS” as explained before (lut-matrix-lut). Some widegamut dell laptops can have that feature too, but with a different app. You need an i1displaypro for it, cheaper colormunkiDIsplay or i1display studio won’t work because Xrite does not want it to work with these apps.
Do you have any experience with a dell WCG laptop + the dell software (which I think is the PremierColor app)? Or other laptops with WCG, but allows the choose of sRGB color gamut? Would you be able to set the color gamut (to sRGB) then generate and use an ICC file if the color is not accurate?
asking because my device is still eligible for return, and I will if I can’t get this to work…
Again, thanks for the info!
I chose a non WCG display because I know sRGB is all I’ll ever needed… but it looks like a poor decision now ????
Usually visual difference is not so big between sRGB RGB primaries and common WLED sRGB 9*% RGB primaries, so you can use one of these sRGB displays without spoting those diferences unless you compare them side by side.
Also cheapest reliable WG wth HW calibration and gamut emulation is Eizo CS2420 and its about 650 euro for 24″ 1920×1200 (+ 200 euro for i1displaypro) while a realiable U2415 (sRGB-like 24″ 1920×1200) is about 200 euro… so buying that CS will be an overkill, even a nonsense for some people and the way they use displays.
I do not think that you bought the wrong device, just live with its limitations.
Without color management GPU calibration like the one from i1Profiler or DisplayCAL fixes grey. Also they made an ICC profile for color managed apps, so all colors are rendered properly (if display can show them)… and this is because ICC, not becaue grey calibration.
Some OSes can have a color managed desktop, so bundled apps with SO can show colors as expected (ICC again, not because grpahics card 1D LUT calibration). It could be the case of macOS… but their color management engine is broken in several ways as you can see in other threads.Correct me if I’m wrong, so the ICC profile and IDLUT canNOT change the actual display gamut, instead they just help CM apps to show a more accurate color?
I would delete “a more” from your sentence: “instead they just help CM apps to show accurate color”
You can have a perfect display which emulates sRGB perectly, open an sRGB JPEG in paint, and then have a sRGB 100% common LED no widegamut display. If you calibrate to the same white & brightnes & profile that display and then open the same JPG image in a color managed app, both images will look the same (color management may render some rounding errors visible in gradients if calcuations are done in low precsion without dither)This would explain why I’m only seeing a more accurate color in CM apps, but doesn’t this also mean that software calibration would have little or no effects in non-CM apps?
Just grey & white.
If you own a LED widegamut Dell desktop monitor (AdobeRGB) you can use their HW calibration app “DUCCS” as explained before (lut-matrix-lut). Some widegamut dell laptops can have that feature too, but with a different app. You need an i1displaypro for it, cheaper colormunkiDIsplay or i1display studio won’t work because Xrite does not want it to work with these apps.
Do you have any experience with a dell WCG laptop + the dell software (which I think is the PremierColor app)? Or other laptops with WCG, but allows the choose of sRGB color gamut? Would you be able to set the color gamut (to sRGB) then generate and use an ICC file if the color is not accurate?
asking because my device is still eligible for return, and I will if I can’t get this to work…
No. I know that such app exist and that for some models it can take actual readings from an i1displaypro because it bundles a few typical Xrite EDR spectral corrections for that colorimeter.
You can use DisplayCAL profile info app to see in CIE xy or a*b* 2D coordinates display colorspace compared to sRGB.
IDNK how big are those differences in your display. Usually a common WLED sRGB display as long as it its calibrated in grey to “some” desired gamma value & neutral grey shoud not show dramatic differences when viewing sRGB images without color managementYou can use DisplayCAL profile info app to see in CIE xy or a*b* 2D coordinates display colorspace compared to sRGB.
IDNK how big are those differences in your display. Usually a common WLED sRGB display as long as it its calibrated in grey to “some” desired gamma value & neutral grey shoud not show dramatic differences when viewing sRGB images without color managementNo it’s definitely not dramatic, but definitely enough to bother me….
I do digital arts, and that’s why I’d like my display to be as accurate as possible.
The difference in my display now is enough to make pink red, and red orange… Although the difference is honestly not that big, it is noticeable.
Unfortunately the software I use can only change the color profile in the preview, which means I’ll have to manually change it every time for every file, and the color would be different between color wheel and the canvas.
which I could probably make it work (it would be very annoying) , but since I can still return my device, I might as well keep an eye on the other options out there.
I would delete “a more” from your sentence: “instead they just help CM apps to show accurate color”
You can have a perfect display which emulates sRGB perectly, open an sRGB JPEG in paint, and then have a sRGB 100% common LED no widegamut display. If you calibrate to the same white & brightnes & profile that display and then open the same JPG image in a color managed app, both images will look the same (color management may render some rounding errors visible in gradients if calcuations are done in low precsion without dither)Usually visual difference is not so big between sRGB RGB primaries and common WLED sRGB 9*% RGB primaries, so you can use one of these sRGB displays without spoting those diferences unless you compare them side by side.
Also cheapest reliable WG wth HW calibration and gamut emulation is Eizo CS2420 and its about 650 euro for 24″ 1920×1200 (+ 200 euro for i1displaypro) while a realiable U2415 (sRGB-like 24″ 1920×1200) is about 200 euro… so buying that CS will be an overkill, even a nonsense for some people and the way they use displays.
I do not think that you bought the wrong device, just live with its limitations.
Thanks, these are some really helpful information!!
A normal display is more reasonable , but the WCG displays usually have some sort of simulation mode to limit the gamut, which would literally save my life now???? ???? ????
I do digital arts, and that’s why I’d like my display to be as accurate as possible.
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Unfortunately the software I use can only change the color profile in the preview, which means I’ll have to manually change it every time for every file, and the color would be different between color wheel and the canvas.
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A normal display is more reasonable , but the WCG displays usually have some sort of simulation mode to limit the gamut, which would literally save my life now???? ???? ????
It would be easier to use a photo editor / vector graphics app with actual color management. This is how people use widegamuts even if they are in some widegamut OSD mode and they work on a sRGB image.
The problem you named with color wheel not matching image color is common in GIMP and other GNU software even if its color managed. There was a GIMP version that solves this:
https://www.partha.com/
“GIMP color corrected experimental edition” (2.9.5)
IDNK why this correction is not merged with current GIMP 2.10
Adobe Suite does not suffer from these issues, I’m not sure about what Corel or Affinity do.
