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  • #143824

    Christopher
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    I have not been able to use the full potential of DisplayCAL as many praise, I’d really like to know what we are all missing that can be done with a colorimeter ? I recently read that getting a spectrometer then having a colorimeter is ideal first the spectrometer, then the colorimeter. Therefore I was looking at purchasing the colormunki as it’s a spectrometer then using instead of upgrading my iDisplayPro to the HL model I use the colormunki to get an accurate measurement of the display, load that into a colorimeter then calibrate the display ?

    #143827

    Vincent
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    1st get i1d3 colorimeter. Get suitable EDR/CCSS correction for your display. Done.

    *IF* that was not enough for new kind of display backlight then spectrophotometer

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    #143828

    Christopher
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    i1d3 colorimeter

    What do you mean if that was not enough for a new kind of display then get spectrophotometer. Are you saying that with most new displays with backlight a colorimeter is significant enough; although if it’s an older display then you may need a spectrophotometer then a colorimeter ?

    #143829

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    i1d3 colorimeter

    What do you mean if that was not enough for a new kind of display then get spectrophotometer. Are you saying that with most new displays with backlight a colorimeter is significant enough; although if it’s an older display then you may need a spectrophotometer then a colorimeter ?

    No. I mean that DisplaCAL has a bundle of colorimeter corrections for most backlight types for xrite/calibrite i1d3, hence if you choose the proper one, because you know in advance backlight type, you do not need an spectrophotometer (if such spectrophotometer is  a low end alternative to an i1d3 like a munki photo/design /i1studio or even i1Pro N).

    Spectrophotometers are slow, painfully slow on dark patches, even i1Pro3.
    Purchase sequence should be i1d3 first,  then spectro if needed. Not the opposite. Buying an xrite spectro without a colorimeter is a waste of time on most user scenarios (I meant literally “loosing your own time” waiting measurement to complete). They sell you a colormunki photo/i1studio as jack of all trades but they are not.

    Sometimes you do not know backlight type in advance so you have to ask in forums, check displaycal colorimeter database (only CCSS files https://colorimetercorrections.displaycal.net/)… or make an edugated guess based on native gamut of display (RGB primaries location).
    … or buy/rent/borrow an spectrophotometer and make a custom correction.
    Most users do not need to go beyond displaycal colorimeter database.

    • This reply was modified 11 months, 3 weeks ago by Vincent.
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    #143832

    MW
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    There’s a reason i1d3 devices are recommended over spectrometers, as they can utilize spectrometer-derived data to address any accuracy gaps. Spectrometers tend to be slower and less accurate at low brightness levels compared to i1d3.

    #143834

    Christopher
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    There’s a reason i1d3 devices are recommended over spectrometers, as they can utilize spectrometer-derived data to address any accuracy gaps. Spectrometers tend to be slower and less accurate at low brightness levels compared to i1d3.

    How so ?

    #143835

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    There’s a reason i1d3 devices are recommended over spectrometers, as they can utilize spectrometer-derived data to address any accuracy gaps. Spectrometers tend to be slower and less accurate at low brightness levels compared to i1d3.

    How so ?

    i1d3 : BIG lens collimator , 1/4 for each sensor
    i1proN: small aperture, 1/37 for each sensor

    #143838

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    I meant, how so; how the iDisplay Pro can utilize spectrometer data ?

    The iDisplay Pro has a smaller aperture then the plus I assume when you say just i1d3 ?

    #143840

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    I meant, how so; how the iDisplay Pro can utilize spectrometer data ?

    CCMX : standard, suitable for all colorimeter, RGB primaries matching. Google FCCM or other similar solutions

    CCSS: spectrophotometer WRGB readings as spectrtal data, not just XYZ coordinates, to use as reference and make a synthetic measurement with std observer and colorimeter observer stored in i1d3 firmware.
    Then compute a RGB to XYZ custom matrix in a way close to a CCMX (which is XYZ to XYZ)… but since it uses each i1d3 firmware data but only distributes spectral data of display (not colorimeter’s) it is portable between i1d3 as long as firmware data is accurate.

    The iDisplay Pro has a smaller aperture then the plus I assume when you say just i1d3 ?

    that’s false.

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    #143842

    Christopher
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    There is not much details, on the CCMX and CCSS files; I’ve done a search and there are some topics on it on some other forums but not a deep explanation on the two  files and their differences.

    What is the difference between a i1de and a i1proN ?

    #143843

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    There are extensive details on the two formats, you just didn’t search. Also they are texts files, you can open it, veen plot CCSS in excel or with specplot argylcms app. Full details on ragyllcms src code.
    “I1pro n” is a generic way to name i1pro (rev a-d) i1pro2 (rev e) i1Pro3 bc I do not want to write full name each time.

    #143844

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    I also read about firmware, supposedly if you have the previous generation iDisplay Pro with a firmware version unknown to me now; it’s identical to iDisplay Pro HL ?

    #143845

    Vincent
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    Firmware spectral data of i1d3 colorimeter is unique per device, or at least unique per batch,

    #143847

    Christopher
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    How do I know if the iDisplay Pro I have is able to get these firmware updates; I assume which helps in doing spectrometer on such devices ?

    #143848

    MW
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    You don’t need to directly interact with the firmware, you just load the suitable spectral correction in the DisplayCal user interface and start the profiling process.

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