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    Pai9
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    OK so I was looking for a new monitor in budget and by hardware unboxed dedicated monitor review channel I found 2 monitor that are available in my region one is 1080p and other is 1440p both are entry level ips monitors and they recommend them in their respective resolution category. The two monitors are Aoc 24g4 & MSI 275qf. All I want is good color calibration as much as a ips display can do.  I don’t care about hdr nor the display are capable of it I just want best sdr srgb performance

    The images as follows are Aoc factory srgb and calibrated srgb the same for msi

    The images are from hardware unboxed review of both monitors

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    #145571

    Vincent
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    Both are widegamuts oriented for gaming and factory sRGB mode (drum suspense noise…) has sRGB TRC. It’s very unlikely that you want that on an 1000:1 for gaming.

    #145572

    Kuba Trybowski
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    The cheapest monitor that actually meets your criteria is the Eizo CS2400R.

    The AOC and the MSI are complete a waste of money because they use the cheapest, lowest-quality panels and electronics available. That’s even reflected in the Calman calibration reports: some dE readings are as high as 8-20+, which is ridiculous. For color-critical work, maximum dE shouldn’t exceed  1-1.5 and preferably should stay below 1.

    #145573

    Pai9
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    MSI advertise themself as wide gamut but they really aren’t as hardware unboxed said it only covers 75% dcpi-3. I m not looking for professional grade color calibrated monitor I just need a high refreshrate monitor mainly for singleplayer games that have good enough calibration for an ips monitor

    #145574

    Pai9
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    Thanks for replying but I didn’t say I want it for color critical work I’m not looking for professional grade monitor I wanted d it for gaming only I know oled is best for that but in my budget I can only buy these monitors. Normal high refresh monitor that has good color calibration in this category

    #145575

    Vincent
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    That’s even reflected in the Calman calibration reports: some dE readings are as high as 8-20+, which is ridiculous. For color-critical work, maximum dE shouldn’t exceed 1-1.5 and preferably should stay below 1.

    Factory calibration is not that bad since at least for AOC gray seems to be neutral (but it does not measure numerically this, unlike DisplayCAL reports).
    Hence error in grey is mostly due to whitepoint…. this is one of the reason why calman reviews ar pretty useless for consumer level devices. All greys are compared against D65 grey at certain gamma, instead to compare them against the color of native white on that preset (whatever it is) and certain gamma.

    Also high dE error seems linked to blue led leakage when LCD panel oclusion is near maximum (near black), which is not so uncommon on gamer / consumer level products.

    MSI suffers a little in grey neutrality due to different channel inbalance across grayscale (blue), but same reasoning applies here: Calman reports in the way this so called “reviewers” are useless to judge out of the box factory calibration.

    AOC factory calibration is better (it’s just whitepoint error, you can adjust this visually on RGB gains), but since they are >100Hz gamer displays,  IMHO the problem is not factory calibration but using sRGB preset  to play games is that TRC is sRGB (even in a perfect sRGB factory calibration), hence washed dark greys on a 1000:1

    Easier to play games using AMD sRGB simulation or novideo_sRGB for nvidia (EDID data is likely to report sRGB TRC even if actual gamma is closer to 2.2, so these amd/nvidia tools will not apply changes on TRC while simulating sRGB)… but this relies on natigfe gamut factory calibration which are missing in the attached images.


    @Pai9
    , you can check on each monitor manual if sRGB preset on OSD allows user to set gamma to 2.2 instead of sRGB TRC. It’s uncommon on entry level display but maybe you’ll be lucky.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Vincent.
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    #145578

    Pai9
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    Thanks for that long reply really appreciate it. To me both looked good after calibration. Hardware unboxed provides the calibrated profile too which you can load with displaycal and profile loader. I will look what you said.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by Pai9.
    #145580

    Vincent
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    Once calibrated the TRC is still sRGB TRC, hence the same problem. As said before the problem is not exactly in factory caibration but uisng sRGB preset on a 1000:1 display.

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