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I had a perfect calibration that worked well for many years with my Intel processor with integrated graphics.
I recently upgraded my MB with a AMD 5700G with integrated graphics and have the latest AMD drivers installed. I’m using the original hard drive with nothing changed in the OS or settings (Win 10), and the same monitor (Dell 2209WA). Just the MB and processor is changed. There are no problems with the system and everything is running well.
The Dell 2209WA monitor profile loads with the DisplayCal loader as with the previous config, etc. In my usage of the computer prior to the CPU / MB swap I never made any changes in the monitor settings using the Intel Graphics utility, but had only used the DisplayCal settings.
After the upgrade, I don’t see anything that causes me to believe that the calibration has changed, but perhaps I’m not looking close enough.
Just to be sure, the question is: Do I need to recalibrate with the new GPU? Does the GPU make a difference in the calibration or is it more dependent on the OS and monitor?
I’m kind of an uneducated newbie on the calibration and it’s been a few years since I performed the calibration using DisplayCal with the Intel GPU, so if I need to repeat the calibration I’ll have to learn the process again. If it’s unlikely that I need to redo the calibration it would save me a lot of time, but if it’s likely necessary then by all means I want to get it done.
My device is the X-Rite i1Display Pro.
Thanks very much in advance for any advice.
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Disclosure: As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.Additional information: The Dell monitor that I’m discussing above has very little time in use as I only use it for the purpose of photo editing and it is turned off for 90% of the time that the computer is in use, so hopefully the backlight hasn’t changed or degraded very much over the years. I have another monitor that is the primary monitor (Acer E211H) which is used for all other purposes. They were calibrated separately and their profiles are both loaded on bootup with the DisplayCal loader.
The Dell is important for photo editing accuracy so I’ll follow the advice that is received here regarding any need for re-calibration. Thanks.
After the upgrade, I don’t see anything that causes me to believe that the calibration has changed, but perhaps I’m not looking close enough.
Just measure. Mresurement report. Watch out whitepoint and greyscale in resulting HTML report, that’s all.
Just to be sure, the question is: Do I need to recalibrate with the new GPU? Does the GPU make a difference in the calibration or is it more dependent on the OS and monitor?
Usually no, unless you are sending ofter pixel format/levels (of course GPU LUT controls in GPU driver must be disabled in both scenarios, make sure that you are not using sRGB simulation in AMD driver)
Thank you very much. I sincerely appreciate your response.
I have made sure that all disableable settings in the AMD Adrenaline utility are set to Disabled, including “Custom Color” and Color Deficiency Correction” and “Display Color Enhancement” They were set that way by default. I could not find any reference to LUT settings in the Adrenaline utility.
Thank you. I will measure as recommended.
I looked on this forum for instructions on how to measure and I found this text: Regarding “no profile no calibration” measurement, your question, just select on verification tab “use simulation profile” to whatever you want to compare and “use simulation profile as display profile”. That way it will test is display matches simulation profile without displaycal grey calibration.
In DisplayCal, Under “Display & Instrument” I have my display selected, and the i1 Display Pro selected. Correction: None.
Then on the Verification tab, I don’t know what to select for the “Testchart or reference”. To the right of that selection box is a small box that already has RGB in it.
The “Simulation profile” box is unchecked, and in the dropdown list are many choices, but I don’t know which one to choose. In the “browse folder” icon I can see my ICC profile in the list, which is “DELL 2209 #2 2019-12-24 10-40 120cdm2 D6500 2.2 F-S XYZLUT+MTX.icc”. Is that what I should choose for the “Simulation profile”?
Is there a detailed instruction for performing a measurement as we are talking about in my situation, or could you please guide me in what selections I should make in the above tabs and dropdown boxes and any other selections that I should make?
Thank you very much. I really appreciate your help.
Update: I think I found the selections above, but I can’t confirm because I’m getting the “Instrument Access Failure” error.
I had previously been using Argyll 2.1.1 (back in 2019) and nothing had changed in my configuration since I’ve been using the same HDD from back then. The only change I’ve made in this system was the MB and CPU. I tried several different usb ports both 2.0 and 3.x for the instrument with the same error results.
I installed Argyll 3.02 and went to file>locate ArgyllCMS executables and directed to the and received the same error.
The log files shows:
14:58:37,947 C:\Users\1\AppData\Roaming\DisplayCAL\dl\Argyll_V3.0.2\bin\dispread.exe 14:58:37,947 -v 14:58:37,947 -k 14:58:37,947 "C:\Program Files (x86)\DisplayCAL\linear.cal" 14:58:37,947 -d2 14:58:37,947 -c1 14:58:37,947 -yn 14:58:37,947 "-P0.502641509434,0.529496402878,1.0" 14:58:37,947 0_16 14:58:37,948 14:58:38,571 DisplayCAL: Starting interaction with subprocess 14:58:38,572 Number of patches = 3 14:58:38,573 Setting up the instrument 14:58:38,668 hid_open_port: Failed to open path ↲ ↳ '\\?\hid#vid_0765&pid_5020#8&31d87553&0&0000#{4d1e55b2-f16f-11cf- ↲ ↳ 88cb-001111000030}' with err 32 14:58:38,671 hid_open_port: Failed to open path ↲ ↳ '\\?\hid#vid_0765&pid_5020#8&31d87553&0&0000#{4d1e55b2-f16f-11cf- ↲ ↳ 88cb-001111000030}' with err 32 14:58:38,673 dispread: Error - new_disprd failed with 'Instrument Access Failed' 14:58:38,673 14:58:38,776 DisplayCAL: Reached EOF (OK) 14:58:38,776 dispread exitcode: 1 14:58:38,776 ...aborted.I’m searching for the solution to this problem as it must be solved before I complete the measure procedure. Do you have any ideas as to a solution to this? Thanks again.
It looks like the error has to do with a path problem. I’ve moved the Argyll files to different locations and I’ve changed the system environment path accordingly. No success there after several attempts and reboots. I’ve made sure that I could run an executable from the bin folder from the c:\ prompt in the adminstrator powershell. No success. I uninstalled DispalyCal and re-installed it. No success. Same path error in the log. At this point I don’t know what to do to fix this.
Your driver is giving problems. Does argyii work from command prompt ? Might need to install xrite drivers or troubleshoot the usb. The Argyii 2.1.1 is faster and been stable.
ARgyllCMS 3.0.2 32 bit, use the same colorimeter correction you used to crete your previous calibration, regardless the choose of correction may be wrong.
Measurement report, no simulation profile at all. Just validate if current calibration matches profile.Success!!! (I hope).
I had to locate the unnamed HID device in device manager and then install the Argyll driver. Then DisplayCal recognized the x-rite device.
Could you please let me know what your opinion is based on the results? Thanks so very much for your help. Very much appreciated.
Here’s the results copied from the generated html file after the measurement procedure:
Device: DELL 2209WA @ -1680, 35, 1680×1050
Instrument: i1 DisplayPro, ColorMunki Display — LCD (generic)
Correction: None
Display profile: DELL 2209 #2 2019-12-24 10-40 120cdm² D6500 2.2 F-S XYZLUT+MTX
Display profile luminance: 118 cd/m²
Display profile whitepoint: xy 0.3118 0.328 (XYZ 95.08 100 109.83), CCT 6559K
Measured luminance: 116.8 cd/m²
Measured whitepoint: xy 0.3164 0.3327 (XYZ 95.08 100 105.46), CCT 6285K
Assumed target whitepoint: 6300K daylight, xy 0.3161 0.3325 (XYZ 95.08 100 105.68)
Measured black luminance: 0.2102 cd/m²
Contrast: 555.5:1
Testchart: verify.ti1
Simulation profile: None
Gamma mapping: N/A
Whitepoint simulation: N/A
Chromatic adaptation: Bradford
Devicelink profile: None
Evaluation criteria: RGB
Date: 2023-11-18 11:25:47
Summary
Criteria Nominal Recommended # Actual Result
Measured vs. assumed target whitepoint ΔE*00 <= 2 <= 1 0.13 OK ✔✔
Measured vs. display profile whitepoint ΔE*00 <= 1 2.53
Average ΔE*00 <= 1.5 <= 1 0.34 OK ✔✔
Maximum ΔE*00 <= 4 <= 3 02 1.83 OK ✔✔==========================================================
Here’s the original profile copied from the DisplayCal profile info page:
Size 967924 Bytes (945.24 KiB)
Preferred CMM 0x6172676C ‘argl’ ArgyllCMS
ICC version 2.2
Profile class Display device profile
Color model RGB
Profile connection space (PCS) XYZ
Created 2019-12-24 10:57:03
Platform Microsoft
Is embedded No
Can be used independently Yes
Device
Manufacturer 0x0000AC10 Dell, Inc.
Model 0x0000F011
Media attributes Reflective, Glossy, Positive, Color
Default rendering intent Perceptual
PCS illuminant XYZ 96.42 100.00 82.49 (xy 0.3457 0.3585, CCT 5000K)
Creator 0x4443414C ‘DCAL’ DisplayCAL
Checksum 0x1DCF99EC7967A7FF9A6FA46983FF175B
Checksum OK Yes
Description
ASCII DELL 2209 #2 2019-12-24 10-40 120cdm2 D6500 2.2 F-S
XYZLUT+MTX
Unicode DELL 2209 #2 2019-12-24 10-40 120cdm² D6500 2.2 F-S
XYZLUT+MTX
Copyright No copyright. Created with DisplayCAL 3.8.9.3 and
ArgyllCMS 2.1.1
Device manufacturer name (ASCII) Dell, Inc.
Device model name (ASCII) DELL 2209WA
Luminance 118.02 cd/m²
Media white point
Is illuminant Yes
Illuminant-relative XYZ 95.08 100.00 109.83 (xy 0.3118 0.3280)
Illuminant-relative CCT 6559K
ΔE 2000 to daylight locus 0.23
ΔE 2000 to blackbody locus 4.46
Media black point
Illuminant-relative XYZ 0.1648 0.1724 0.1892 (xy 0.3130 0.3275)
Illuminant-relative CCT 6496K
ΔE 2000 to daylight locus 1.54
ΔE 2000 to blackbody locus 3.34
Absolute to media relative transform Bradford (ICC recommendation)
Matrix 0.8951 0.2664 -0.1614
-0.7502 1.7135 0.0367
0.0389 -0.0685 1.0296
Video card gamma table
Bitdepth 16
Channels 3
Number of entries per channel 256
Channel 1 gamma at 50% input 1.08
Channel 1 minimum 0.0000%
Channel 1 maximum 99.06%
Channel 1 unique values 256 @ 8 Bit
Channel 1 is linear No
Channel 2 gamma at 50% input 1.08
Channel 2 minimum 0.0000%
Channel 2 maximum 99.60%
Channel 2 unique values 256 @ 8 Bit
Channel 2 is linear No
Channel 3 gamma at 50% input 1.02
Channel 3 minimum 0.0000%
Channel 3 maximum 99.90%
Channel 3 unique values 256 @ 8 Bit
Channel 3 is linear No
Device to PCS: Intent 0
Matrix 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000
0.0000 1.0000 0.0000
0.0000 0.0000 1.0000
Input Table
Channels 3
Number of entries per channel 2049
Color Look Up Table
Grid Steps 33
Entries 35937
Output Table
Channels 3
Number of entries per channel 2
Red matrix column
Illuminant-relative XYZ 42.78 22.96 1.57 (xy 0.6356 0.3411)
PCS-relative XYZ 45.33 24.01 1.12 (xy 0.6434 0.3407)
Green matrix column
Illuminant-relative XYZ 34.38 71.02 10.25 (xy 0.2972 0.6141)
PCS-relative XYZ 37.19 71.21 8.42 (xy 0.3184 0.6096)
Blue matrix column
Illuminant-relative XYZ 17.92 6.02 98.00 (xy 0.1470 0.0494)
PCS-relative XYZ 13.89 4.79 72.96 (xy 0.1516 0.0522)
Red tone response curve Gamma 2.2
Green tone response curve Gamma 2.2
Blue tone response curve Gamma 2.2
Device to PCS: Intent 1
Matrix 1.0000 0.0000 0.0000
0.0000 1.0000 0.0000
0.0000 0.0000 1.0000
Input Table
Channels 3
Number of entries per channel 2049
Color Look Up Table
Grid Steps 33
Entries 35937
Output Table
Channels 3
Number of entries per channel 2
PCS to device: Intent 1
Matrix 5.8935 -2.9373 -0.9035
-1.9685 3.7712 0.1537
0.1606 -0.3665 2.6811
Input Table
Channels 3
Number of entries per channel 4096
Color Look Up Table
Grid Steps 33
Entries 35937
Output Table
Channels 3
Number of entries per channel 256
PCS to device: Intent 0
Matrix 5.9172 -2.9535 -0.9116
-1.9859 3.7901 0.1511
0.1543 -0.3692 2.6917
Input Table
Channels 3
Number of entries per channel 4096
Color Look Up Table
Grid Steps 33
Entries 35937
Output Table
Channels 3
Number of entries per channel 256
Characterization target [23205 Bytes]
Characterization device values [23205 Bytes]
Characterization measurement values [23205 Bytes]
Chromaticity (illuminant-relative)
Channel 1 (R) xy 0.6356 0.3411
Channel 2 (G) xy 0.2972 0.6141
Channel 3 (B) xy 0.1470 0.0494
Make and model
Manufacturer 0x10AC Dell, Inc.
Model 0xF011
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ACCURACY_dE76_avg 0.101058
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GAMUT_coverage(adobe-rgb) 0.706Thanks, Ben. Your reply helped my thought processes.
I had to identify and locate the unnamed HID device in device manager in a long list of unnamed HID devices, and then I installed the Argyll driver overwriting the MS driver after disabling the driver signature enforcement. Then DisplayCal recognized the x-rite device.
I’m very grateful to Vincent and you for taking the time to help. I could not have accomplished this without the help from this forum.
That means thet calibration was preserved (as expected on GPU change). It does not mean calibration is good. Correction = None usualy implies that whiet point is not OK becasue what you read is “false”.
Re do calibration using CCFL (not WG CCFL) correction. Depending on your particular i1d3 firmware data you may need a little of huge correction in RGB gains to get the actual D65 coords.I agree you need to recalibrate to D65. I would not be happy with a .2 black level. It should be closer to .1 .
I wonder why you have to use argyii drivers? I have a color checker display plus and only have used the drivers it came with and xrites. Switching drivers around though is not good user experience. But this does reminded me of Hauppauge Wintv drivers using there drivers instead of Hauppauge’s to run DTv scaler.
