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I am a photographer and I’m trying to figure out the best way to go about this. I am getting a new Dell U27-24D. I’m coming from a basic Philips IPS at like 92% sRGB.
This dellmonitor has much better coverage of sRGB, Adobe RGB, and DCI-P3. It also comes with Dell software and factory calibrated. I have a Spyder X Pro, which I know is not the best calibration device and I don’t even know if it can cover DCI-P3.
Should I be using DisplayCal or Dell’s Color Profile Manager? What should it be set to for editing in Lightroom and Photoshop? And should I bother with the Spyder or just stick to Dell’s factory calibration?
What color space should I be keeping the monitor in.
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Disclosure: As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.I am a photographer and I’m trying to figure out the best way to go about this. I am getting a new Dell U27-24D. I’m coming from a basic Philips IPS at like 92% sRGB.
This dellmonitor has much better coverage of sRGB, Adobe RGB, and DCI-P3. It also comes with Dell software and factory calibrated. I have a Spyder X Pro, which I know is not the best calibration device and I don’t even know if it can cover DCI-P3.
Should I be using DisplayCal or Dell’s Color Profile Manager?
AFAIK It has no HW calibration, so that dell app AT BEST will publish at OS level an ICC that refects OSD mode colorspace.
If that apps does not do that and wish to use factory calibration you’ll have to do by yourselft after changing OSD mode and BEFORE starting Lightroom.
What should it be set to for editing in Lightroom and Photoshop? And should I bother with the Spyder or just stick to Dell’s factory calibration?
What color space should I be keeping the monitor in.
– Thank you.SpyderX has limited colorimeter corrections, if your display has 9x% coverage it’s likely to be WLED PFS. Closest but not exactly the same “mode” on SpyderX is Wide LED or Widegamut LED or something like that. Install Argykl CMS drivers and remember to set “mode” (upper right , 1st tab) to Wide LED before measuement.
If out of the box Dell white in some sRGB fatory preset looks white, try to measure it. DIspaycal tools report incalibrated display report. It should not be “very” off fro daylight if it looks white.
The main concern on SpyderX is whitepoint due to limited corrections, X is not as bad as 3/4/5 SPyder, it has a HW “closer” to Xrite i1d3. If it looks ok, proceed to full calibration using Dells “Custom” mode to have acces to RGB gains.
I guess I’m really asking if I should leave it in a specific mode from the factory as it’s supposedly factory calibrated
Superior image quality: This IPS Black panel technology monitor has deeper blacks and greater gray color level accuracy, delivering exceptional contrast (2000:1) across a wide viewing angle.
Vivid, lifelike color: Enjoy 1.07 billion colors and a wide color coverage across industry standards, including 98% DCI-P3, 98% Display P3, 100% sRGB and 100% BT.709. Get color calibration accuracy of Delta E < 2 (average) (sRGB, BT.709, Display P3, DCI-P3)
I don’t know if this means anything and If I should be forcing it to a specific color space or not I guess I’m just asking what you think my best option is given the info and gear I have like if you would bother adjusting the factory calibration and/or changing the color profile
Sorry I’m trying to parse what your saying but only know enough to get myself in trouble not enough to actually choose correctly
Just ask, how else are you going to know?
You want to expose the native gamut: “custom” mode, this exposes the full settings needed for calibration.
The idea of selecting a mode and being done with calibration sounds fantastic, and is great for marketing, but doesn’t work in practice. You can use DisplayCal verification tab to find out how close it gets.
Try switching between the OSD sRGB and native/P3 modes while observing grey patterns. If they look the same, the factory calibration may be decent.
I’ve seen displays with very good factory calibration for sRGB, but wildly off native mode.
I’ve seen displays with very good factory calibration for sRGB, but wildly off native mode.
One mans “very good” might be DeltaE above 2, that’s noticeably off. But in case it’s perfect from the factory with sRGB mode it will drift over months and years and no longer be close to perfect. That’s why native mode is useful to expose the full gamut and settings that get locked out.
I guess I’m really asking if I should leave it in a specific mode from the factory as it’s supposedly factory calibrated
Most “lesser” brand factory calibration usually mean “we did it at 50% brightness” (and maybe “we lock it after that so you won’t be hable to change it” like some Viewsonics).
So when you lower brightness to a value confortable to your room, whitepoint may had drift. Grey color & gamma usually do not chngeAlso you need to ensure that default display ICC profile in OS matches exactly OSD mode. Otherwise factory calibration modes are totally useless and shoud be avoided.
By default Dell driver should have installed an ICC dprofile with nominal native gamut sRGB/2.2TRC and D65. If yiu switch to sRGB mode, do nothing on OS and open Photoshop all will show artificaially undersaturated and wrong.Superior image quality: This IPS Black panel technology monitor has deeper blacks and greater gray color level accuracy, delivering exceptional contrast (2000:1) across a wide viewing angle.
Vivid, lifelike color: Enjoy 1.07 billion colors and a wide color coverage across industry standards, including 98% DCI-P3, 98% Display P3, 100% sRGB and 100% BT.709. Get color calibration accuracy of Delta E < 2 (average) (sRGB, BT.709, Display P3, DCI-P3)
mumbo jumbo
Measure. “wide led” setting for SpyderX, you can skip when report complaisn about whitepoint since it may be Spyder, but otherwise you can verify if with that whiet all behaves ok in PCS (default displaycal verifcation)
I don’t know if this means anything and If I should be forcing it to a specific color space or not I guess I’m just asking what you think my best option is given the info and gear I have like if you would bother adjusting the factory calibration and/or changing the color profile
Sorry I’m trying to parse what your saying but only know enough to get myself in trouble not enough to actually choose correctly
As said before for newbies (May need to enabel advanced options in UI menus) :
-SpyderX set to Wide LED
-calibration speed medium
-D65, 2.2 gamma
-single curve + matrix profile, enable black point compensation
Let it run & install profileEven for “pros” on a well behaved monitor it will their parameter choice.
The idea of selecting a mode and being done with calibration sounds fantastic, and is great for marketing, but doesn’t work in practice. You can use DisplayCal verification tab to find out how close it gets.
It depends on QC of factoru calibrated modes and on the existence of a reliable software that using DDC/CI changes OSD mode AND the associated ICC profile on OS to that display.
NEC & Eizo do it well. It works the same no matter if it is HW cal or factory cal. You swicth OSD mode with an app and display ICC profile gets updated-
Benq has a reliable auto ICC profile switch on factory modes and SW models with HW cal (although SW models are a really bad choice)
Old DDM from Dell did not, you had to do it manually, not sure about DDM 2.0.@OP: Try it. If it changes default profile when changing OSD mode it may be useful, if not, do as I instructed above.
The dell display manager changes depending on which profile I put the monitor in via the osd.
This is the profile I get from the spyder when the display is set to srgb both in osd and the dell color management
Settings werelcd pfs phosphor wled rgb led
black level compensation
color temp 6500k
white level as measured
gamma 2.2
speed mediumThis is display set to display p3 eveything else the same just matching brightness via the osd to 200cdm
The dell display manager changes depending on which profile I put the monitor in via the osd.
That is not profile, its a preset. What we ask you is to check if a new/modified ICC profile gets published to your OS color management settings when you change preset. Thta is what is needed by LR/PS/… to rely on factory calibration.
Regarding the other seetings to a profile verification with no simulation profile.
Using custom mode you could fix RGB gains so you won’t had to drop RGB levels in GPU calibration, like your 2 profile show. Not much, but can be avoided
It looks like there is a different icc profile to each preset unless I am reading this wrong?
What do you mean by the last part?
It looks like there is a different icc profile to each preset unless I am reading this wrong?
What do you mean by the last part?
That’s dell app, not OS. Color managed apps do not care about what Dell app says but about default icc profile for display in OS settings.
You can inspect gamut/primaries of an ICC profile b several ways: icc porfile inspector, gamut vision or even easier go commandline and “DisplayCAL-profile-info.exe PATH_TO_ICC_PROFILE”.
DisplayCAL-profile-info.exe with no params (= clicked by mouse, no commandline) will show default display profile of main display.
