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    Flyinion
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    Looking to upgrade my old ColorMunki Display but after reading a lot of info about the new calibrite stuff not doing well with near black and having just picked up a QD-OLED monitor I’m not sure what to go with.  All the “recommended” older models seem to be sold out or are used for way more than the new stuff sells for.  Any recommendations?

    Calibrite Display SL on Amazon  
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    #142687

    Kuba Trybowski
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    The Calibrite Display Pro HL/Plus HL is your best and only choice, since Spyders are inaccurate and store their spectral corrections in the internal memory, so if you happen to have an unsupported display, you’re simply out of luck.  It also means that the aren’t futureproof.

    #142698

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    Maybe some stores still have “Calibrite Colorchecker Display Pro” (the old one), otherwise the pro HL since it should be rated to lower nits.
    The “SL” will be betetr behaved on low light for oled but you’ll loose direct support for HW calibation with the software profvided by monitor vendor, like Eizo ColorNavigator, benq pallete ultimate and so on. Also it’s likeley to be slower like old colormunki display.

    #142704

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    Thanks everyone, I’ll look into the HL then.  I think they’re having a sale right now as well as I just got an email so this might be a good time to pick it up.  Also, I guess I had to re-register as apparently the forums switched hosts since last time I posted a looooong time ago, I had posted something over in the Help & Support forum as my first post and it’s been stuck in moderation for 4 1/2 days.  I pretty much figured it out by now, but just wondering if there’s anyone still around doing the moderation stuff since I know the main DisplayCal project is essentially EOL.  (I’m on the fork that was mentioned here now)

    #142707

    Flyinion
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    Ugh, went to go buy off their site because Amazon was all 3rd party sellers and not on sale.  The pro HL is apparently sold out.  Guess I’ll wait a bit.  That’s unfortunate cause it was a large discount in price right now.

    #142709

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    Managed to get one for the same price not counting shipping/tax differences.  I didn’t even think to check B&H and they had it for the same price as Calibrite’s site and it was in stock.

    #142784

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    Got the Display Pro HL.  Was hoping to see correction profiles for it, but I guess it must be based on the older i1 Display Pro stuff because even after forcing a detection again in the lastest forked version of DisplayCal it still shows it as an i1 Display and Colormunki type device and the correction profiles show the same.  I briefly tried Calibriite’s Profile software but the thing is a total piece of garbage.  Says it supports 4 displays but it only every shows my 2nd monitor and puts the checker on my main monitor.  Dragging the configuration window to the 2nd monitor causes the buttons to just not even respond.  Only way my main monitor showed in the monitor selection was if I unplugged the power to the 2nd.  So definitely glad someone has kept DisplayCal going.

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    Vincent
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    Got the Display Pro HL.  Was hoping to see correction profiles for it, but I guess it must be based on the older i1 Display Pro stuff because even after forcing a detection again in the lastest forked version of DisplayCal it still shows it as an i1 Display and Colormunki type device and the correction profiles show the same.

    Why would the corrections be different? Do you know what a spectral correction is?
    Xrite/calibrite may update their filter technology every 2y but CCSS will be the same, as intended.  It stores display info, not colorimeter’s.
    Same for device itselft, a forthcoming “Calibrite display Pro Plus XL Ultimate” in 2027 could handle 0.000001nit to 5000nit… but the driver will be the same (may need new unlcok code). They’re meant to work that way.

    #142792

    Flyinion
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    Ah ok thanks, I didn’t know it was only a correction for the monitor.  I thought it was to correct both devices in some way.  I also realized after my last post I did not have the new forked version installed and had apparently just looked at the Github site.  I installed it yesterday via the “new” windows installer version, and it did not go well.  Profile loader kept giving errors and then DisplayCAL itself decided it didn’t even want to open after the 1st time even after a reboot.  Looked at the issues list and it seems like a lot of Windows users are having issues and the creator of the fork mostly works in Linux.  Guess I’ll be running the 2019 version with the latest Argyll instead.

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    #142794

    Vincent
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    Ah ok thanks, I didn’t know it was only a correction for the monitor.  I thought it was to correct both devices in some way.

    A CCSS is a sample of display spectral power distribution when showing red, green blue and white. It corrects nothing for the monitor. It describes monitor, nothing more.
    Plot it (argyllcms specplot.exe or use Excel).

    i1d3 (the whole family) stores info about individual colorimeter spectral sensivity in firmware). Argyll and Xrite derived works use this info (CCSS +i1d3 fimware) to correct i1d3 for that particular display.

    Hence all CCSS works for all i1d3 when measuring the same display type as descibed by that CCSS.

    I also realized after my last post I did not have the new forked version installed and had apparently just looked at the Github site.  I installed it yesterday via the “new” windows installer version, and it did not go well.  Profile loader kept giving errors and then DisplayCAL itself decided it didn’t even want to open after the 1st time even after a reboot.  Looked at the issues list and it seems like a lot of Windows users are having issues and the creator of the fork mostly works in Linux.  Guess I’ll be running the 2019 version with the latest Argyll instead.

    New DisplayCAL rght now is limited to Linux & mac. For windows use this web version (3.8.9.3)

    #142799

    Flyinion
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    A CCSS is a sample of display spectral power distribution when showing red, green blue and white. It corrects nothing for the monitor. It describes monitor, nothing more.
    Plot it (argyllcms specplot.exe or use Excel).

    i1d3 (the whole family) stores info about individual colorimeter spectral sensivity in firmware). Argyll and Xrite derived works use this info (CCSS +i1d3 fimware) to correct i1d3 for that particular display.

    Hence all CCSS works for all i1d3 when measuring the same display type as descibed by that CCSS..

    New DisplayCAL rght now is limited to Linux & mac. For windows use this web version (3.8.9.3)

    Thanks for the info that makes sense on the corrections.  Yeah I tried the new one out because it has a Windows installer since at least October (that was the last update though) but apparently it is having issues running correctly as there are a lot of Windows issues in the Issues tracking.  The author had mentioned on one of them on October 18th that something was getting fixed in the next update, but the latest update is the 15th so I don’t know if he just gave up on Windows or has just been busy with the holidays.

    I guess as long as I have the latest Argyll downloaded it probably doesn’t matter a whole lot that I’m running the 6 year old version of DisplayCAL?

    #142808

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    I’m using 3.8.9.3 on Windows and it is my reference to verify 3rd party profiles.

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